I’m winding down my study of the eschatology of both of Paul’s epistles to the Thessalonian believers. I intended to be here in 1Thessalonians 4 & 5 last, because I wanted to both discover whether or not Paul’s epistles were about one eschatology. That is, was he speaking of the judgment of the Jewish nation in 70 AD in part of those epistles and our modern era and our future in other parts of those epistles. I believe he spoke of one persecution, one resurrection, one coming of Christ to reward the saints and to judge the evil doers, and I believe everything we read and considered pointed to one eschatology, one end of age event and that was the destruction of the Jewish nation, including its capital, Jerusalem, and its Temple. Thus, the Old Covenant came to an end in 70 AD, and at the same time the New Covenant was established with the disciples of Jesus, demonstrating that he dealt with the world only through the Church. The age of when God dealt with the world through the Jewish nation had come to an abrupt end.
For nearly 2000 years the Jews wandered throughout the nations of this world, not having a nation of their own, demonstrating that they were judged by God and endured his terrible wrath. Many Christians today, believe the forming of the Jewish nation in 1947 pointed to the beginning of a fresh hope that the coming of Christ was near. Yet, not only had the hundreds of past predictions of the coming of Christ failed, exposing the futurist doctrine as a false hope, and its perpetrators false prophets, the creation of Israel in 1947 was a march to nowhere, as far as the coming of Christ is concerned. What difference could it possibly make, if they rebuild their Temple? The Old Covenant came to an end in 70 AD. How would that force God to deal with the world through the Jews once more? Although the Lord has in the past used unbelievers to judge and discipline his people, when has he ever used a bunch of atheists, agnostics and unbelievers to do anything to promote his will for the world? There was no Moses in 1947, no Zerubbabel or Ezra. What proof exists to demonstrate that the creation of Israel in 1947 was anything more than the Jews retaking their old homeland in an effort to provide a safe haven for their people?
Notice what Paul says in 1Thessalonians chapter five with a special consideration of the pronouns:
“But of the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I write unto you. For you know perfectly that the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. You are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep, sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him” (1Thessalonians 5:1-10)
Notice who has knowledge of the times and who does not. The disciples of Jesus have no need to be reminded how the day of the Lord comes. Nevertheless, those upon whom the wrath of God comes, **always** need to be reminded that the coming of the Lord in the day of judgment and with wrath upon the evil doers is an event that comes like a thief, like the birth pains of a woman. In times past nearly no one had ever heeded the warnings of the men of God that judgment, the Lord’s wrath was about to come upon the disobedient children.
Notice who’s in darkness and who is in the light. Were the prophets of the Lord in times past ever in darkness, or did they know perfectly well that the time of God’s judgment was about to come? What sort of folks were **always** in darkness in that they are called the children of darkness? Wasn’t it the folks the Lord was about to judge? Who is it in the text above who has faith or trusts in Jesus? Who looks to be saved, i.e. from the coming wrath? Who had the Lord appointed to be taken by his wrath, was it the believers in Thessalonica (the children of light) or their persecutors (the children of darkness)? Who is promised eternal life—“whether we wake or sleep (die), we should live together with him!” (verse 10)?
Who has endured the wrath of God from 70 AD to this very day? Why would any believer in Jesus think that he would one day reverse his judgment and again choose the Jews (over the Church) to once again deal with the unbelieving nations? Does anyone of us really believe the Jews are believers? Why would we think the Lord would change the world through a nation of atheists, agnostics and unbelievers? Where is the precedent in the word of God for such a thing? God has not appointed us to wrath (to set us aside in favor of unbelievers) he has appointed unbelievers to bear his wrath.
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14 responses to “God Has Not Appointed Us to Wrath”
and again, Eddie has decided that if he wants to pretend I’ve offered no evidence, it magically vanishes. Alas, that is not the case.
You have no witnesses, you have a baseless story. and this is hilarious “A witness in any court of law is considered evidence. ”
Nope, not at all. A person claiming to be a witness is not evidence. A witness gives testimony and that testimony is compared to the facts of the case. It may stand as support to those facts or not.
You run about like a three year old, screaming “no no no no no”, as if that will make your baseless claims about my lack of evidence become true.
I can show where I’ve pointed out how you fail and given evidence of this YOu have nothing to show your claims true.
“Just one more Christan who insists that his version of magical nonsense is the only right one. Yep you and every cultist has declared something true or not true in your holy books. No rapture, no god, no magic, just petty humans wanting to pretend someone magical being agrees with them and only them.
I can judge “modern Christianty” and whatever you’ve invented for yourself since you all fail.
No god and no evidence for the supposed events caused by it. I do love how each little arrogant Christian declares himself right and everyone else wrong, all using the same claims as each other.
Each Christian has that “kick in the head”, claiming to be able to declare what is so and what isn’t. “I have declared it unbiblical.” ROFL.”
I’m still waiting to see how you show your version to be the true one. You can’t show that it is, can you?
I also do enjoy the pretentiousness of your “new covenant text” nonsense. That’s quite a typical Christian maneuver, an attempt to invent new terms to declare that they are the only TrueChrisitans(tm).
Once more all you have done was engage in ridicule. You haven’t posted any evidence to back up your claims. If you think differently, point out your ‘evidence’ that shows my claims are false.
As for myself, I have based everything I said in this and other posts on the witnesses’ testimony found in the New Covenant text. You claim all this is nonsense, which would be fine, if you would only support your claim, but you don’t. We are left with your opinion that denies what I’ve claimed is true.
I’m offering you another opportunity to support your argument. If you don’t do that, then I’ll be forced to simply keep you from posting on my website. I don’t mind folks who disagree, I don’t even mind if they have little support for their arguments, but it seems you think you can get away with what you are doing simply because you’re you — a bully. So your time is up, and you need to put up or shut up. You have one, and only one more opportunity to make good on your claims.
yep, ridicule and evidence you are a failure, Eddy. But thanks for lying again. You do more for showing how religion is a failure than I ever could.
and more about the “new covenant”, the cultist who wnats to pretend his cult is the only right one.
it’s grand to see such a failure of white supremacists. yep, I did some research.
I’ve supported my claims. You can choose to lie or not.
I’m allowing this post to show anyone who comes by to understand that you have continued your ridicule until the end; you never once posted any evidence to back up your claims, and when all is said and done, you are nothing more than a bully. Don’t bother to post anything else, because I will not permit it to go public.